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Bill Day

Posted : 21/01/2008 09:48

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Please tell me I didn't read that Ashford Cricket Club, founded in 1866, could become Ashford Stacians.

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Julian

Posted : 21/01/2008 11:16

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There is to be some debate on the name of the newly formed club. Quite as expected, Ashford members favour 'Ashford Cricket Club' whilst our Stacians friends wish, quite rightly, to have their name incorporated. Outside of all the other matters to be addressed, the naming will be the most heartfelt and I, for one, do not expect the decision process to be smooth.

There are two sides to the argument: One side is that now we are one town club, then we should be Ashford Cricket Club. This is regardless of previous names and purley and indication of who we are. Obviously Old Stacians have a long and illustrious history, so by incorporating their name, Ashford Stacians would keep their name going.

I'm not taking any sides and have no particular preference, but purely want the 44 players, every saturday, all pulling for the new club and doing their best - regardless of name. Whether I'm playing for ACC or ASCC, I'll give 100% to the cause.

I would not be adverse to ditching both existing emblems, naming the side Ashford Town Cricket Club and taking the Ashford Borough logo as the new badge (same logo as appears on your council tax bills and that the Football Club wear).

So starts the debate..............

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DC

Posted : 21/01/2008 12:35

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Let's remember that we are not talking about the renaming of Ashford Cricket Club. On the information that has been passed to members (at least OSCC members) neither Ashford Cricket Club nor Old Stacians Cricket Club had a successful, maybe even functional long-term future without the other. As such it was proposed necessary to merge. In my eyes this means the formation of a NEW CLUB, which regardless of name will promote cricket in the Ashford area for years to come.

It seems that the history books of both Old Stacians and Ashford Cricket Club in their current forms have been closed. While neither shall be forgotten, the emphasis for now should be on the future. It would make sense to create a new name for the new setup, recognising the contribution of both clubs, however I can understand your position Bill, as my grandfather (Jeff Hall) has expressed similar views regarding the loss of the name Stacians. Nonetheless, I would tend to agree with Julian: so long as the players are geared towards the new side, the name is relatively immaterial.

It certainly will be an interesting and emotive debate in the coming weeks.

Dave Coulson

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Bill Day

Posted : 21/01/2008 12:55

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With respect and on a point of accuracy Dave, we were three years down the line of securing a lucrative long term future for Ashford, deep in ground sale negotiations, when Stacians made the approach.
Look, the merger is brilliant, but we must proceed with the utmost caution on the name. I see nothing wrong with a new club letterhead saying: Ashford Cricket Club, incorporating Old Stacians Cricket Club. The difficulty comes when attempting to change the name of a founder member of the Kent League and a club name that has been in existance for 142 years.

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Bill Day

Posted : 21/01/2008 13:13

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A few interesting points on this subject. When Old Dunstonians merged with Cuaco Cricket Club, the new club became known as OD Cuaco. The amalgamation of Beckenham Cricket Club and Sydenham Cricket Club resulted in the emergence of Beckenham and Sydenham Cricket Club. They tend to be known as "Beckenham" in newspaper reports. St Lawrence and Highland Court were already amalgamated when the Kent League launched, but they tend to be known as St Lawrence.

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DC

Posted : 21/01/2008 13:50

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Apologies for the error Bill I was just regurgitating what I had been told. Like I say, I do not see the name as a problem and indeed concede that, whatever the club is called now, down the line it will be referred to as Ashford no matter what - just the same as the scenarios you have highlighted.

Nonetheless there have been concerns from some members of the Stacians camp over an immediate loss of identity, thus they have seen the name as a big way of preserving that - I am sure common sense will prevail (whichever decision that means!) and that we can all soon get down to playing cricket.

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archie wright

Posted : 21/01/2008 14:35

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whats in a name they say well obviously quite a lot however as a life member of oscc i perhalps quite surprisingly am with bill day on this one there is and will always be one ashford cc and all erstwhile members of oscc should be proud and honoured to play under that banner in any event the name of old stacians will never die past members will make sure of that but the die is now cast and should all parties pull together yhen cricket in ashford is in good hands

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Julian Day

Posted : 21/01/2008 14:52

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Wise words from a wise man. Thanks Archie.

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Julian

Posted : 21/01/2008 16:17

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I've just been e mailed by Coops who correctly states : 'as far as I understand, the new club will have to vote on the new constitution and I think the name of the new club in the constitution is Ashford Stacians, so that should be interesting'.

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Marcus

Posted : 21/01/2008 16:18

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Will the real Arthur Wright please come out from this possessed body.
On the 30th January, two splendid clubs with long histories cease to exist. The reason, the future.
New Beginnings, New Squads, New Outlook. Utilising what is best about both clubs, but the amalgamation is not about the past, it is about the future as one club.
Are we really going to have an Animal Farm debate, where both clubs are equal, yet one is considered more equal than the other? Discussions like this caused much debate and conjecture last year, leading to accusations and wild rumours. There should be no incorporation, no senior partner, both bring something.

Be it Ashford Town, Ashford Borough, Ashford and Stacians or my personal favourite "Old Stacians Ants" (it has a certain ring to it!), from the end of January there is one new club. No ACC or OSCC, perhaps the best idea would be to eliminate the identity of both clubs from any future branding to ensure a new beginning.

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Marcus

Posted : 21/01/2008 16:21

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But if a constitution has yet to be agreed, then the rules governed for AGM/EGMs of the new club do not apply and as such prior changes or recommendations from the floor should also be considered?

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Mike Day

Posted : 21/01/2008 16:41

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Just a small point.What becomes of the Life members and VicePresidents of Ashford cricket club if the Name Ashford Cricket Club goes,do they become custodians of history?

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Ben

Posted : 21/01/2008 19:04

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Not Ashford Stacians please!!! It sounds like something from a Monopoly board.

Ashford and Old Stacians CC sounds OK to me and seems a logical choice to keep both parties happy so we can get on with the cricket, which is now only a few weeks away.

Don't worry Bill I'm sure all the lads will keep chanting fo the mighty Ants!

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Kevin Hall

Posted : 21/01/2008 21:13

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Not sure about the merged name yet, I will keep these thoughts to myself for time being.....but think by Bill heading the subject title as "Ashford Station" was a little tonque in cheek.

But what about the Ashford Old Boy Ants for the new nickname !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bill Day

Posted : 22/01/2008 08:22

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Keep the debate going. This is brilliant. Come the egm, we might have sorted it between us.
Ps. I promise I had no say in the appearance of my head and shoulders with every message I submit.

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archie wright

Posted : 22/01/2008 10:11

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bill nothing wrong with your head and shoulders reminds me of that young wipper snapper that i first encountered at warehorne iwas bowled off my head on a sporting wicket i think the bowler was a harden i also recall a dashing opening bat named dennis ovenden

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Marcus

Posted : 22/01/2008 13:44

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Playing days at Warehorne, happy memories.
Diving in the outfield then wiping the grass, mud and sheep s**t off your trousers.
You do know that the Steve Waugh "Slog Sweep" was invented there, or at least attempted by many batsmen.

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Kevin Hall

Posted : 22/01/2008 14:17

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That reminds of one of first games for Old Stacians, away at Brookland......I wondered why none of the oldens were diving in the outfield to stop the ball, but soon realised, when I looked down to discover, I was covered in sheep muck from head to toe !

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Bill Day

Posted : 22/01/2008 14:31

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Ah, Marcus, that "slog sweep". My leg breaks were dispatched over the poplars at Warehorne on many occasions.

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Marcus

Posted : 22/01/2008 14:44

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At least we don't need a tetanus shot each time we need a leak now.

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Bill Day

Posted : 24/01/2008 16:01

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No Marcus, no tetanus jabs necessary when you use the bog on Ashford Station(s), platform four. Very clinical, scrupulously clean.

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Marcus

Posted : 24/01/2008 16:44

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I don't know, sometimes the old trough at Warehorne was cleaner, just.

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Anon

Posted : 24/01/2008 22:37

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On the theme of head and shoulder shots popping up with your message - any chance of a Chuckle Brother appearing next to Archie's messages?

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anon II

Posted : 25/01/2008 10:54

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or Sancho Panza

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archie wright

Posted : 25/01/2008 11:27

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anon and anon11 i know the chuckles but who on earth is sancho panza not another golf bandit i trust

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arcie wright

Posted : 25/01/2008 11:42

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anon11 don quixote my foot

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Julian Day

Posted : 25/01/2008 14:24

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Sancho Panza was, I believe, a mexican revolutionary immortalised in the Stranglers 1979 hit 'No more Heroes'.
One can only presume Arch, that he looks like you in your wide brimmed hat.
Obviously any golf Bandit references are out of order!!!!!

IArchie,

f you check out the 'History' section of this website, there is a press cutting from an evening league game in the mid 80's. You get a name check ...... (and there's also a great photo of dear old Jimmy Kelleher (another legend).

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willow

Posted : 25/01/2008 19:24

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yes, a legend. ask vince tyrrell. he kept it tight one end. and JIM bowled at millberrys end.......4 LBWs and 3 caught long on.

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willow

Posted : 25/01/2008 19:26

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joking aside.... a decent bowler ..

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julian

Posted : 25/01/2008 20:12

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.....and a great leader of The Fox football team - great times.
The thing i loved about jimmy was he didn't suffer fools. Some of his comments to some of the Ashford boys during his time there were priceless. The chirp that him and my dad usedto give some people (who shall remain nameless) who thought they were a lot better than they really were painfully true and upfront. He skippered our 2's in the Kent League at times and i remember being injured, but turning out for him one Saturday. Got 60 odd on one leg batting at 7 and felt so proud that i'd done for Jim. He instilled that in people, none more so than the Fox boys. We regularly beat supposedly better teams on the back of the fantastic team spirit that Jim fostered.

Arch - see you only went for 18 off of your 4 overs in that final whilst poor old jim went for 50 off his. Paddy must have taken a liking to his slow drifters!!! You got a few runs as well you old devil.

I've tried a couple of times to get Jimmy up to the ground to no avail. He's too busy playing golf probably.

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archie

Posted : 28/01/2008 09:58

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jim keleher yes another local legend the fox were certainly a real handful and those knicknames poker,phantom,fagan,mental,stormeretc etc
jim or peanut as he became was a great guy to have around a brilliant bar stool preacher but someone who would never let you down on the field a class act particularly in those midweek friendlies he would never worry about his own figures but would br prepared to open things up with his flight and guile a genuine spinner of the ball and i will never forget his massive six at tenterden to win an evening league game from the last ball of the match the only ball that he faced eat your heart out gary gill
thanks for pointing out your history section julian more happy memories

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Julian

Posted : 28/01/2008 20:21

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So are you coming up to Goat Lees on Wednesday night then Arch? Be great to see you and hear your views on the recent developments. We can arrange that golf match......

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archie

Posted : 29/01/2008 15:54

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steady on bill jim milberry will be turning in his grave remember brsa BRITISH RAIL STAFF ASSOCIATION formerly THE WAGGONERS

JULIAN CANT PROMISE ATTENDING WEDNESDAY BUT WILL TRY IT SHOULD BE HIGHLY ENTERTAINING

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Kevin Hall

Posted : 29/01/2008 16:12

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There you go "Ashford Waggoners" is it then !!

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Kevin Hall

Posted : 29/01/2008 16:14

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With fixtures against:-
Wye
Chilham
Chartham
Canterbury East
Sturry
Minster
Ramsgate
Dumpton Park
Broadstairs
and Margate

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Bill Day

Posted : 31/01/2008 14:21

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Steady Kevin, rail services to Chilham are under threat from South Eastern. We might have to go by bike - or by hearse, as Warehorne did at weekends for away matches when I was a kid. The funeral stuff was stripped from the Armstrong Siddeley - used as a hearse for in midweek - and we lads piled in the back of the black, polished limo for trips to places like....... Chilham!

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archie

Posted : 31/01/2008 14:46

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BILL IT IS WIDELY DOCUMENTED IN SOUTH WALES THAT THE LOBSTERS ARRIVED AT ABERGAVENNY IN A HEARSEWITH APPS IN FULL REGALIA LEADING THE WAY IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A POPULAR MODE OF TRANSPORT FOR CRICKET TEAMS

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Bill Day

Posted : 31/01/2008 15:04

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Arch, our biggest problem was the driver. In midweek, he was a pall-bearer for the funerals; at weekends, our driver, minus black silk hat, and black coat. Unfortunately, he was teetotal and had a habit of standing outside village pubs, staring at his watch, and getting more angry as the evening wore on, as we downed our pints at the bar. We called him "Doug Wright" on account of the number of times he flicked his wrist to look at his Timex.